Monday, September 19, 2005

ISTEP Spring or Fall?

The Super's Blog stakes out its official position on the controversy surrounding Indiana's standardized testing routine:

Our position is:

"Who cares!"

Actually our position is slightly different. We believe it doesn't make much difference one way or the other. Therefore, the time and expense and change are not worth it. There is little to be gained.

It's kind of like, should it be Coke or Pepsi? Some would argue that neither one is all that great for you.

Now the governor on the other hand, believes that spring testing is the "most natural time to do it."

Maybe some pollster has decided this is a hot button issue or something. I don't see it.

It just disrupts the continuity of most schools' current programs, changes their current assessment cycles and starts new baselines all over again.

Unless that IS the point.


At Tuesday, September 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is amazing. For YEARS, the superintendents, principals and school boards have taken positions in favor of spring testing. (The school boards still have that position, I believe.) In doing so, they pointed to NUMEROUS reasons why spring testing is superior to fall testing. Each of these groups also opposed the ISTA-led move from spring to fall that occurred in the '90's. This newly-found opposition from these groups - to a position they long SUPPORTED - seems like pure politics.

At Tuesday, September 20, 2005, Blogger Mamacita said...

Politics are at their pettiest when applied to education.

You really don't want to get me started on ISTEP.

And I ain't too fond of the union, either.

Both have failed our schools miserably, and it's a disgrace.

At Tuesday, September 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aww, C'mon. Let's give the governor a chance. After all, the BMV closings and DST have been such smashing successes. Maybe he will be similarly successful with spring ISTEP testing.

At Tuesday, September 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous III said...

Wow, Super. I didn't realize you were the official spokesperson for the school boards, the principals and the superintendents.

And to think that I can get all of that from one little ol' blog.

That's super!

At Tuesday, September 20, 2005, Blogger Indiana Public School Superintendent said...

When The Super's Blog says "our position is" that does not mean principals, superintendents and school boards.

"Our" only means some who offer ideas to this site from time to time.

This site doesn't even pretend to speak for superintendents as a group, their associations or any other formal groups.

A blog is just that - one or more peoples opinions on whatever topics they choose to expound upon.

But, hey if one stop shopping for ideas saves you time - look no further! :-)

At Wednesday, September 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

None of you can even respond to the real points, can you? You're so darned defensive about whether "Super" represents all superintendents that you won't even address the ISSUE! OF COURSE, one superintendent does not represent all the groups mentioned. Not even superintendents as a group -- unless "Super" is actually John Ellis. But the posting IS consistent with things that were said this past legislative session by the "official" representatives of all the groups mentioned. So, again, why the flip-flops? Sure sounds like politics to me!

At Wednesday, September 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous Uneducated Fool said...

Funny, I do not remember a poll stating that absolutely 100% of all school administrators were in favor of Spring testing before this time. Could it possibly be that maybe these few representatives were ambiguous the whole time? Or maybe with the existing financial strictures that have recently been placed upon public education, switching testing from one end of the spectrum back to the other would just be an extra tightening of the financial arteries of school districts, and something on which no concrete research has been done to prove the benefits either way?

At Wednesday, September 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

STILL.... no REAL response to the issue. Just conspiracy theories and bickering over who represents whom. Thanks for confirming my observation. There is no substance in this position - by WHOMEVER it is who is espousing it!

Politics. Politics. Politics. Superintendents are as good at it as are the "professional politicians" that they so often blame for their problems.

At Thursday, September 22, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous Uneducated Fool said...

This is in reply to anonymous' statements that "There is no substance in this position..." and that there has been "no REAL response to the issue."

"We believe it doesn't make much difference one way or the other. Therefore, the time and expense and change are not worth it. There is little to be gained."

The time and expense are not worth the listed gains brought by a change in testing time. That sounds like a pretty clear, substantive, real and defendable argument to me.

And, speaking of politics, it seems to me as though this position is a way of actively avoiding a political debate. By pointing out the advantages of the status quo ahead of a large political endeavour, much time and argument can be saved on everyone's behalf.

I appreciate your open mind in pointing things out that others may not have necessarily seen, anonymous.

At Friday, September 23, 2005, Anonymous Wildcatter said...

Hmmm...where does one begin on this topic. Spring, Summer, Winter, or Fall, I don't see the test as too valuable to students considering the fact that it takes months to score the tests and get them back to the schools. I mean, isn't the purpose of any test not just a means to finding out where a student is, but more importantly, how the school can help the student improve. If the test is given in September, and the results come back in November, or December, or January, or February .... what value does it have for the school or the student. Other than, it is a way to categorize, rank, and trash public education. It is amazing that we throw all of our eggs into one basket (ISTEP+) to tell us all how well our schools are doing. So I believe the Super's point is correct, who cares when it is given or if it is given for that matter. Wouldn't it be interesting if we all had to take a yearly test to determine if we meet Indiana's standards for being a productive worker, citizen, and caring member of the human race. Just a thought....

At Friday, August 24, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I feel Spring is the logical time to have students take the ISTEP+. This would have a huge effect on scores because students would have all summer to forget what they learned the year before. Also, students and teachers would not have to cram at the beginning of the school year. I found a great website for ISTEP+ help. Visit for more information!


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